Andrea here, welcoming a guest interviewer to the Word Wenches today! C. P. Lesley, a historian, is the author of The Not Exactly Scarlet Pimpernel and two series set during the childhood of Ivan the Terrible. She also hosts New Books in Historical Fiction, a podcast channel on the New Books Network and interviews historical fiction authors on her website. (You can hear her podcast with me on my latest Wrexford & Sloane mystery, Murder at the Royal Botanic gardens, here. And she has also interviewed Nicola.)
C.P. was kind enough to interview me recently on my new Lady Arianna Regency mystery, A Swirl of Shadows, which released last week, and graciously offered to let me share it here. (As luck would have it, the setting aligns very well with her historical expertise, as you shall soon discover!) So without further ado, here’s some tidbits on Lady Arianna and Saybrook—and their latest adventure!
What was your inspiration for this series?
The Regency era in and of itself was a core inspiration. I love the time period because it was a fabulously interesting time and place—a world aswirl in silks, seduction, and the intrigue of the Napoleonic Wars. Radical new ideas were clashing with the conventional thinking of the past. People were questioning the fundamentals of society, and as a result they were fomenting changes in every aspect of life. Politics, art, music, science, social rules—the world was turning upside down, especially as women were really beginning to challenge the boundaries of their traditional roles in society.
I really like writing about people who are both strong and vulnerable. We all have strengths and weaknesses, and how we learn to balance those conflicting elements is, to me, an integral part of the human experience. An author can, of course, play with those tensions in any era, but for me the Regency presents a particularly interesting time in which to do so with an unconventional heroine.
Lady Arianna Hadley is a fascinating character. She develops over the course of the series, but tell us what you’d like readers to know about her going in.
Arianna has a gritty backstory, and in the first book she has come to England to seek revenge. Strong, clever and resourceful, she’s had to look out for herself for most of her life, and so trust doesn’t come easily for her. But she has a strong moral compass and a passion for justice, having had personal experience with injustices. That makes her an excellent sleuth.
Her initial interactions with the Earl of Saybrook are, shall we say, more confrontational than collegial. What can you tell us about him, and why don’t they get along at first?
Like Arianna, Saybrook is a complicated person. A titled aristocrat, a former military intelligence officer, and a brilliant botanist, he’s an outsider in the beau monde because his mother was a foreigner. When readers first meet him, he’s recovering from a serious war wound in London and is asked by the government to investigate the poisoning of the Prince Regent at a fancy supper party—where, disguised as a male chef, Arianna did the cooking. During their first encounter, their verbal fencing takes a sharper edge, but circumstances force them to become reluctant allies to find the real culprit, which leads them to uncover an even more sinister plot … and develop a a grudging friendship.
I have to admit that what first drew me to these books was the combination of Russians and chocolate, more specifically cacao. We’ll get to the Russians in a minute, but what made you want to include the chocolate?
In a sense, it happened by accident! For a very different project, I had stumbled across the fascinating fact there there was edible chocolate in the Georgian/Regency era. (The common perception is it was invented in 1847.) Sulpice Debauve, the personal physician to Marie Antoinette, concocted disks of flavored chocolate and spiked them with her medicines because otherwise she refused to take them. To make a long story short, he went on to open a chocolate shop in Paris in 1800—selling edible chocolate! (You can read a long history of chocolate on my website under the “Diversions” tab.)
My agent loved the chocolate info and suggested we send out a proposal for a “chocolate mystery” set in the Regency. I pondered the idea, saw some really interesting possibilities, and came up with Arianna—who wasn’t at all the heroine that my agent expected! She had envisioned a cozy mystery series revolving around the proprietor of a chocolate shop who gets involved in solving mysteries in her town. I had different ideas. I wanted to write an edgier type of series that dealt with both the glittering ballrooms of London and the dark side of the beau monde, where the misuse of power and privilege was rampant.
As I said, my agent was surprised—but she really liked the sample chapters I did, and we sold it to Penguin Putnam. The line ended up being reorganized, and they didn’t offer to continue the series. But I loved writing it so much that I decided to continue the stories as a self-published series.
The overall background to these novels is the political negotiations—and machinations—surrounding the end of the Napoleonic Wars. By the time we get to A Swirl of Shadows, Arianna and Saybrook are being encouraged to travel to St. Petersburg. Why? And what do they find when they get there?
Tsar Alexander was a really interesting and important figure in the Regency era. Handsome and charming, he was also mercurial and enigmatic. He was a key leader in defeating Napoleon, but his own personal weaknesses made him vulnerable to intrigue and schemers. Actual history records that he did fall under the spell of a woman mystic and that her influence threatened his reign. In A Swirl of Shadows, the British government asks Arianna and Saybrook—who know Alexander from a previous mystery in Vienna—to journey to St. Petersburg to stop an American adventuress from orchestrating a clever plot that will topple the tsar from his throne and threaten Europe’s new-found peace.
However, when they arrive, they find things aren’t at all what they seem, and with the Imperial Court a viper’s nest of intrigue and betrayals, Arianna and Saybrook must cobble together a band of unexpected allies in order to beat the devil at his own game.
The person doing the encouraging, not to say arm-twisting, is Lord Grentham, who has been present from the beginning of the series. Give us a capsule description of him, please.
Grentham has been a really interesting character to develop. As Britain’s top spymaster, he’s ruthlessly cold and pragmatic, and I intended him to be a foil for Arianna and Saybrook’s more finely honed sense of fair play and justice. But it turns out he had other ideas about that and is a far more nuanced character. He keeps surprising me. It’s funny how that can happen to an author!
I can’t let you go without asking about Arianna’s friend Sophia. Who is she, and why does she decide to accompany them to St. Petersburg?
Sophia also has hidden facets. She and Arianna are very different personalities, shaped by the fact that they both had have painful experiences in the past. At first, they are wary of each other, but as often happens in real life, seemingly mismatched people can develop a very interesting friendship.
With Sophia, I have enjoyed playing with taking a person’s core vulnerability and turning it into a strength. Sophia demands to accompany Arianna and Saybrook to St. Petersburg because she feels that her particular expertise will be invaluable to them. There are also very personal reasons involved, but I shall leave them for readers to discover!
This novel just came out. What are you working on now, and can we look forward to another Lady Arianna adventure?
I’m current working on a new Wrexford & Sloane mystery, which is also set in the Regency era. There’s also another project percolating—more on that in the near future. And yes, I am in the first stages of sketching out a new plot for Arianna and Saybrook. So stay tuned!
It's Andrea back again, and thanking C.P. Lesley for interviewing me. Now on to our usual question! When most people pick up a Regency novel, they assume the setting will be in Britain. But because my plots involve international political intrigue, these series often takes readers to continental locales. Vienna, Paris, Brussels . . . and in this new one, Arianna and Saybrook are off to St. Petersburg. Do you like it when a Regency novel takes you to faraway places? Or would you prefer to stay in the drawing rooms and country estates of Britain? I'll be giving away a free e-book copy of my new book to one lucky winner chosen at random for those who leave a comment here !
C. P., thanks for this terrific interview with Andrea! I've loved Arianna and Saybrook from the beginning because of the combination of edge, history, romance, and chocolate. Plus she does great research! Andrea, I'm so glad to hear that you'll be continuing the series.
Posted by: Mary Jo Putney | Monday, March 28, 2022 at 07:28 AM
Lovely interview, Andrea and C.P.! I'm looking forward to reading this story and I don't mind at all when Regency novels move outside the sphere of London ballrooms - that just makes it more interesting!
Posted by: Christina Courtenay | Monday, March 28, 2022 at 07:36 AM
Thanks so much, Mary Jo! In researching something for my Wrexford & Sloane mysteries, I stumbled across a perfect tidbit for a Lady Aianna plot . . .so of course, I couldn't help starting to noodle some notes. The research rabbit hole is a VERY dangerous place to visit!
Posted by: Andrea Penrose | Monday, March 28, 2022 at 07:47 AM
Thanks so much, Christina. I'm glad you ejoy being whisked off to exotic places. So do I!
Posted by: Andrea Penrose | Monday, March 28, 2022 at 07:47 AM
Thank you C.P. and Andrea for great questions and answers to the writing process and upcoming books.
I enjoy ideas set in British ballrooms, but I do like plots that take the characters to exotic places.
Posted by: Patricia Franzino | Monday, March 28, 2022 at 09:42 AM
Welcome, C.P., and thank you and Andrea for the interview.
I have no objection to reading about Regency era characters in places other than Britain; I am happy to do some armchair traveling!
Posted by: Kareni | Monday, March 28, 2022 at 02:22 PM
I enjoy reading books set in the Regency time period but they don't have to all be in the whirl and twirl of ballrooms. I like " changes in Latitude's and changes in attitudes".
Posted by: Debbie Olson | Monday, March 28, 2022 at 03:58 PM
Glad you are open to both, Patricia. St. Petersburg is VERY far away from Britain, but it's a fascinating and beautiful city, so I hope readers will enjoy learning a little about it.
Posted by: Andrea Penrose | Monday, March 28, 2022 at 04:59 PM
Ha, ha, Debbie!
You'll definitely do some changes in both latitude and attitude in this adventure!
Posted by: Andrea Penrose | Monday, March 28, 2022 at 05:03 PM
I enjoy books set in the Regency period but not necessarily confined to society ballrooms in London or even Enhland. The period as a whole is fascinating, with new roles and scientific experimentation and much of the action is outside of England. Do I've been enjoying the trips to the Continent and St. Petersburg.
Posted by: Anne H | Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 02:12 AM
One of the things I grasped only years after college was the interplay of historical events in different geographical areas but contingent timelines. The Regency took place not only in the most interesting (to me) time in British history, but also European, Asian, and Caribbean history as well. I love the Jane Austen aspect of Regency historicals, but I relish connecting the dots to other cultures and experiences. Taking Saybrook and Arianna to St. Petersburg (which I've experienced and loved) is icing on the (chocolate, of course) cake for me.
Posted by: Mary M. | Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 04:56 AM
Enjoyed this interview so much--everything from the characters to the time period and setting to the chocolate flavoring makes me want to run to buy this book!
Posted by: Saralyn | Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 07:27 AM
Thank you for this post. Interesting interview and gives me a very clear picture of where you have been as well as where you are going. You are right - the Regency period is filled with possibilities. And many women were seeing the world from a new perspective.
Hope everyone is well.
Posted by: Annette N | Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 09:01 AM
Thanks for the very interesting interview. I do love historicals set in different and interesting places. Vienna is a favorite, and I've probably read dozens set in Brussels or France or Spain and Portugal, during the Napoleonic era. Also faraway destinations like Russia, Egypt and India. And of course Joanna Bourne's books, many of which are set in France.
Posted by: Karin | Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 09:51 AM
Thanks, Anne!. Yes, one of the reasons I love the regency is because it's so much more than ballrooms and country house parties. The innovation in science, music, literature, women's rights, etc was really exciting and was happening all over the Continent. I find it a great setting for stories.
Posted by: Andrea Penrose | Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 11:06 AM
You're absolutely right—the Regency era was so exciting in many different parts of the world, and they all did interact and cross-pollinate each other. That's why history is so interesting for me.
So glad you enjoyed visiting St. Petersburg. It really is a fascinating and beautiful city.
Posted by: Andrea Penrose | Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 11:08 AM
So true, Annette. Women were beginning to see possibilities and push against traditional boundaries.
Glad you enjoyed the interview!
Posted by: Andrea Penrose | Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 11:10 AM
Karin, so glad you enjoy traveling to various places for your reading adventures!
The Regency really does offer a wide range of choices. As the British were traveling around the world, there are lots of story possibilities in places far away from London.
Posted by: Andrea Penrose | Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 11:13 AM
I thoroughly enjoy Regency novels with unusual settings, since it gives me a chance to learn more about that particular place in that time. And I really can't wait to read this book!
Posted by: Jane Nelson | Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 02:48 PM