Anne here, and today it's a privilege and a pleasure to have the wonderful Australian historical crime writer, Sulari Gentill, visit us for the second time.
Anne: welcome back to the Word Wenches, Sulari. When you were last here, you were about to embark on a tour of the USA with three other Australian crime writers. (See photo on the right.) That seemed to go really well, but then you were plunged into the horrors of the recent Australian bushfires, with your home, family and animals at risk, you and your younger son and the dogs evacuated, while your husband and eighteen year old son, both members of the RFS (Rural Fire Service — a Volunteer Firefighters Organization) stayed back to fight the fires. They were on the fire front in trucks that were melting, facing flames that were sixty metres (200 ft) high — in what seemed an endless, impossible battle. (Listen to Sulari describing in her own eloquent words what it was like to live through.)
It must have been an appalling time for you. We Wenches were following your situation on Facebook and elsewhere and, like the rest of the world, felt helpless and horrified. (Read the NYT article about it.)
You've emerged with your family intact, your house smoke-damaged but (just) intact and the rest of the farm burned. And yet, you've gone on to help others with the post-fire clear up, start on the rebuilding and replanting of your own farm, and still somehow managed to keep writing.
Sulari: Thank you Anne. It was a crazy time. The aftermath is still terrifying in its way, though we have time now to do more than fight or run. Australia is finally facing the realisation that things need to change and, I suppose, we who were there feel a responsibility to make sure that’s not forgotten as we rebuild and replant. I wanted you all to know that through it all we have been held up but the thoughts of people everywhere, we have felt your horror, your kindness, your support. In the midst of a nightmare, we never felt alone. So thank you.
Anne: I wish we could have done more. And now the latest Rowly Sinclair book is out, and you're up for all the promo. I won't ask you how you do it — clearly you have some secret druidical magic potion (Asterisk the Gaul, anyone?) — but I am in awe and admiration. As are all the wenches. Testament of Character is getting some wonderful reviews. Tell us about the book.
Sulari: In fear of his life, the American millionaire, Daniel Cartwright, changes his will and appoints as his executor, the truest man he’s ever known.
When Rowland Sinclair receives word of his old friend’s death, he sets out immediately for Boston, Massachusetts, to honour Cartwright’s last wishes, and to solve his murder. He is met with the outrage and anguish of a family spurned in favour of a missing heir, who promise to fight Rowland in the press as well as the courts.
Artists and gangsters, movie stars and tycoons all gather to the fray as elite society closes in to protect its own, and long buried secrets rise to the surface. Rowland Sinclair confronts a world in which insanity is relative, greed is understood, and reputation is power, in which love is dictated and the only people he can trust are an artist, a poet and the passionate sculptress.
A Testament of Character is the tenth Rowland Sinclair Mystery. At the heart of the novel is a love story, or perhaps a number of love stories, and of course a murder. The action takes place in the US—in Boston, New York, North Carolina and Manchester By The Sea—where the last will and testament of an old friend places Rowland and his companions in the crossfire between family, lovers, mobsters, moguls and Boston society.
Anne: To date you've set different books of The Rowland Sinclair Mysteries in Nazi Germany, London, New York, Shanghai and Boston, as well as Australia, and this one is mostly set in the 1930's USA.
What was the inspiration for this particular story and setting?
Sulari: The inspiration for this particular book was a little known event in history. I came across it through a friend—an American writer and Harvard man—who told me about the Secret Courts and trials which took place in Harvard in 1920, and were thereafter quite effectively hushed up. I found myself wondering what had happened to the players, where they’d ended up, how their lives had been changed.
I do write chronologically and I had reached 1935 in the series so I always knew I couldn’t deal with the events directly. But the fact that A Testament of the Character is set in 1935, did give me the opportunity to speculate about the aftermath of those trials, to write a story about two young men who had been accused and summarily convicted, whose sentence had been one of exile and disgrace. I already had a character, Daniel Cartwright, who’d appeared in the second book in the series (A Decline of Prophets) to whom I could give this backstory. Sometimes writing a series is about embroidering and old thread to make the fabric of a new story.
Anne: Wow, that's so interesting. I can't wait to read it. (On the right is a photo of Sulari and two of her fellow crime writers hard on the research trail in the USA.) In your research, did you come across any other historical nuggets of particular interest?
Sulari: So many nuggets! I am what we call in Australia, “a pantser”. I write by the seat of my pants—with nothing resembling a plot of any sort. I have no idea what’s going to happen in the next paragraph let alone at the end of the novel. Accordingly, I research as I go, rather than before I begin writing. In this way I ensure the history serves the story and not the other way round, and I avoid the temptation to write my research which can also be more targeted because I know what I’m looking for.
Regardless, even the most focused research does find herself happily led astray by history on a regular basis.
A simple investigation of night spots in New York, led me to the Savoy—one of few places which did not impose a colour bar—to the Lindy Hop, a young Ella Fitzgerald and Harvest Moon Balls. In trying to get a sense of Central Park, I came across a beauty contest for goats. In a hotel in Ashville, North Carolina, I ran into F. Scott Fitzgerald quietly drinking himself to death as he mourned the passing of the flappers. Of course I did all this in the company of Rowland Sinclair and his companions.
Anne: They all sound wonderful. One of the pleasures of the series is not only the developing characters of Rowly and his friends, but also the slow-build relationship between Rowly and Edna, the beautiful, free-spirited sculptress. Any news on that front for the romantics among us? <g>
Sulari: Their relationship does deepen in this book… and there is a wedding. But saying any more would spoil the story. Personally, I do want Edna and Rowly to find happiness together, but I lost control of both of them several books ago (if I ever had any in the first place). Believe me, I have told them both, in no uncertain terms, to confess their love for the other, but they don’t always to listen to me.
Anne: Oh I know what that's like. I'm a pantser too, though perhaps with a little more idea of where the story might go, but control over my characters? That's quite another thing.
I assume you will continue with the delightful historical bon-bons, where real characters from history are slipped in for readers to recognize if they can.
Sulari: Absolutely. I unashamedly use Rowly to meet the people of his era who interest me, in the context of their time and their peers. A Testament of Character introduces several recognizable names, and reacquaints us with a couple who have graced earlier books.
Anne: Would you care to share a little of Testament of Character with us?
Sulari: It would be my pleasure. I’ve chosen this extract from a scene at a party thrown by Marion Davies and Randolph Hearst, because I’ve always loved to watch Rowland dance with Edna.
The penthouse was crowded with starlets and moguls and media. The band had picked up tempo and the dancing was in earnest.
Rowland found Clyde by the buffet holding a square-faced dog with a short nose and large upright ears, who was far too big to be comfortably held. Rowland rubbed the hound’s ears, wordlessly, raising a single brow in enquiry.
“Some woman asked me to hold her dog while she danced,” Clyde replied.
“And you agreed?”
“It was either that or dance. This is the lesser of evils.”
“Does it have a name?” The dog licked Rowland’s hand. He didn’t pull away—he’d always liked dogs.
“She calls the poor bloody creature ‘Smoochy’.”
Rowland winced. “Which one is she?” he asked, surveying the dancers.
Clyde pointed out a young woman in a black and white ensemble that resembled the markings of her dog. Rowland noticed Edna on the dance floor near her in the arms of an older man. “Who’s the chap dancing with Ed?”
“Some bloke called Kennedy—Joe, I think. He owns movie studios apparently. Marion introduced him to Ed.” Clyde’s brow furrowed. “He seems pretty taken with her.”
“He wouldn’t be the first man.”
“He’s under the illusion she’s an actress. Said something about having just the film for her.”
If he was not standing in the penthouse of Marion Davies and Randolph Hearst, Rowland might have disregarded the claim as a ludicrous attempt to seduce the sculptress, but in this circle it was possible that Kennedy was, in fact, the proprietor of a studio. Of course, that didn’t mean he wasn’t trying to impress Edna.
“If you don’t need my assistance with Smoochy here, I might cut in.”
“Go,” Clyde said without hesitation. For some reason he couldn’t put his finger on, he didn’t like Kennedy.
“Rowly!” Edna took her hand from Kennedy’s shoulder to reach for Rowland. “There you are! I was wondering what Mr. Hearst had done with you... This is Mr. Joseph Kennedy.”
“Mr. Kennedy. How d’you do? Rowland Sinclair.”
Kennedy met his eye. “Mr. Sinclair. You’re not going to ask me if you can cut in, are you?”
“Yes, I am.”
“And what if I say no?”
Edna laughed. “You can’t say no. It’s not done.”
Kennedy smiled, rather too broadly. “You can’t blame a man for wanting to keep you to himself."
Edna moved directly and determinedly into Rowland’s arms. Rowland almost felt sorry for Kennedy who wasn’t to know how much his attempt at flattery would irk Edna Higgins. She would not be kept anywhere by any man.
The band was playing a swing and Rowland and Edna stepped into the rhythm.
Anne: Lovely — and thanks for the bob-bon. What's up next for you?
Sulari: My next release in the US will be After She Wrote Him, which was originally published as Crossing the Lines. I love the new title and cover and am really excited about the thought of it reaching new readers. At the moment I’m working on, or trying to work on, a standalone novel, a metafictional thriller called Letters From Leo. After that there are a number of projects jostling for attention, the priority of which will be determined by publishers I guess.
(Anne adds, If you want After She Wrote Him, I haven't yet been able to find US links, but amazon UK, and the book depository have it, and of course it is available in Australia.)
Anne: Thanks so much for taking the time to visit the Word Wenches, Sulari. With all you have on at the moment, we are so pleased you could make it.
Sulari: It’s been such a pleasure Anne. Thank you for having me.
Anne: The Word Wenches also want to wish Sulari and her family all the very best in rebuilding their lives and their farm after these dreadful fires.
Anne: Sulari will be giving away a copy of one of her books — if you haven't read her yet, you might want to start with the first in the series, but that will be up to the winner, who will be drawn from the commenters.
Which brings me to a question for readers: are you a reader of historical mysteries? What do you enjoy (or not) about them? Do you have any favorites?
I am eagerly looking forward to this next Rowley Sinclair! By 1935, I was beginning to know what was happening in the world, but not what was happening were this book is happening. (I'm 92).
Wishing Sulari all the best luck in the world on the area of after fire recovery.
Posted by: Sue McCormick | Thursday, March 05, 2020 at 10:46 PM
Thank you Sue. A Testament of Character has just come out in Australia and is due out in the US in about a year/18 months, and is set firmly at the end of 35. In 1936 the world becomes even more unstable so I'll have plenty material I'll have for future novels in the series.
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Thursday, March 05, 2020 at 11:28 PM
Sulari, it's so good to have you on the Wenches again! Having followed your ordeal on Facebook, I'm giving thanks you all survived--and can't think of a better pick-me-up for a writer than a brilliantly reviewed new book release! I love the excerpt with the dog and that studio guy, something Kennedy. *G* May the book be a worldwide bestseller!
Posted by: Mary Jo Putney | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 07:18 AM
Thank you for a wonderful interview, Sulari and Anne. Yes, I do read historical mysteries. Some I've enjoyed include the John Pickett series by Sheri Cobb Smith and the Captain Lacey series by Ashley Gardner.
Posted by: Kareni | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 09:23 AM
Hello Mary Jo. Thank you. It was a crazy few weeks and it is both wonderful and strange to have something as both special and ordinary as a new book to come out into. A Testament of Character has probably been a bit neglected in terms of promotion as a result, but I hope it will find its way anyway.
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 10:18 AM
Hi Kareni
I haven't come across either series but shall hunt them down. Thank you!
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 10:20 AM
Historical mysteries are my catnip. I've read Sherry Thomas' Charlotte Holmes, Jacqueline Winspear's Maisy Dobbs - although I stopped after an event occurred that I did not care for (don't want to give a spoiler) - C.J. Sansom's Shardlake Tudor stories, Imogen Robertson's late 18th C ones, Frank Tallis' Viennese ones (his descriptions of the pastries his psychoanalytic hero eats made me hungry) and various others. Thank you Anne Gracie and the Word Wenches for introducing me to a new author and new series. I discovered Imogen Robertson through a recommendation from one of the Wenches, so I trust your taste.
Posted by: Susan/DC | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 04:23 PM
I love historical mysteries and am a fan of Sulari’s! Wonderful characters and interesting tidbits of history. I’ve got Give the Devil His Due on top of my TBR pile.
Posted by: Pat Dupuy | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 04:27 PM
Hello Susan. What an excellent list! I do hope you enjoy the Rowland Sinclair Mysteries as well. Thank you for dropping by.
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 04:29 PM
Hello Pat. Lovely to talk to you again. Give the Devil is was one of my favourites to write. Racers of 30s were crazy - the bodies of some of those cars were made of wood! And passengers were used a ballast!
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 04:33 PM
Susan, I first recommended Sulari's books on our monthly WWR (What we're reading) posts, and then interviewed her. Now quite a few of the wenches read and follow her.
Posted by: Anne Gracie | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 06:20 PM
Actually, Sulari, when I was reading that I was also thinking of that British car show, Top Gear, where in one episode they had to build their own limousine. Lots of fun.
Posted by: Anne Gracie | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 06:21 PM
Hi Anne
My boys are obsessed with Top Gear. My eldest spends half his life with his head under a bonnet (a car bonnet not a frilly one!) Top Gear does indeed have that feel of "let's see how far we can push this car".
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Friday, March 06, 2020 at 10:50 PM
I love historical mysteries of all eras. I've got lots of favorites, like Ellis Peters, Anna Lee Huber, C.S. Harris, the Wench's own Andrea Penrose, Barbara Hambly. Right now I am reading "The Richmond Thief" by Lisa Boero, and it's very entertaining. Thanks for the chance of winning one of Sulari's books!
Posted by: Karin | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 07:31 AM
Thank you, Anne and Sulari! I vaguely remember reading the last interview you did with the Wenches, Sulari, and thinking I had to track down one of your books because I, too, adore historical mysteries. But doing so then slipped my mind, as so many things do. Fortunately, my library has a copy (now borrowed, since there are probably many Wench readers in my town!) of A Few Right Thinking Men, and I just this moment put it on hold so it wouldn't slip my mind again. (That's not to say I wouldn't love to win a copy!)
Posted by: Margaret | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 07:46 AM
Historical mysteries are my favorite and most enjoyable novels. The stories transport me to the eras and make the experience meaningful. Jacqueline Winspear, Kelly Rimmer, Pam Jenoff, and Rhys Bowen have written novels which are fascinating and memorable.
Posted by: Ruth | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 07:52 AM
Thanks for this beautiful feature and giveaway. Your interview was emotional. I have read many historical mysteries which are unforgettable as they are profound. I am reading the series by Susan Elia MacNeal. The period, and characters which involve Sir Winston Churchill is always extraordinary. Natasha Solomons historicals are wonderful.
Posted by: Laini | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 08:55 AM
Fascinating interview. My best wishes go out to Sulari and all the Australians who faced the devastating fires. I love historical mysteries, they are a combination of two of my favorite genres. Running across actual historical characters in interesting situations is enjoyable, while a little romance provides the icing on the cake. I have not yet read any of Sulari's books, but the Rowland Sinclair series has been in my plans for some time now, since I've heard very good things about it. I really need to move it up!
Posted by: Jane | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 11:36 AM
Hi Karin. Thanks for dropping by, and good luck!
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 04:44 PM
Hello Margaret
Believe me, I understand. My mind is getting slipperier and slipperier! I do hope you enjoy a Few Right Thinking Men.
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 04:46 PM
Hello Ruth. I agree. Historical mysteries add time travel to murder. What's not to like?!
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 04:48 PM
Hello Laini
I haven't come across MacNeal but I shall search for her work. Sir Winston makes an appearance in one of my novels - he was a very interesting figure.
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 04:50 PM
Thank you Jane. I've always loved writing historicals - the past gives you a wonderful scaffolding into which you can weave a new story. I hope you enjoy Rowland when you meet him.
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 04:54 PM
I've dipped my toe in the Historical Mystery pool. Not very far, but it is in there. Grin. It depends more on my mood than anything else but I have been wanting to read one of yours since they've been highly recommended. It just hasn't happened yet as there are so many, many books on my TBR...
Posted by: Vicki L | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 09:03 PM
Hello Sulari and Anne
fascinating post and my thoughts are with you Sulari it was a rough time with the fires and I do hope all is getting back to normal for you and your family, Now I love a historical story and ass a bit of mystery and it sounds good to me, I have just watched my first MISS Fisher movie and loved it so I would love to read some historical mysteries :)
have Fun
Helen
Posted by: Helen | Saturday, March 07, 2020 at 10:58 PM
Thanks, Helen. As a Sydneysider, I'm sure you'd really enjoy Sulari's books, especially the first one which contains so much fascinating Sydney history. It certainly opened my eyes.
Posted by: Anne Gracie | Sunday, March 08, 2020 at 12:47 AM
Hello Vicki
Of course...so many books so little time! I wrangle with that myself.
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Sunday, March 08, 2020 at 04:29 AM
Thank you Helen. We're getting back to a new normal I think. There's a bit of a mess to clean up but we've rolled up our sleeves!
Posted by: Sulari Gentill | Sunday, March 08, 2020 at 04:35 AM
Best of luck in the draw, Vicki.
Posted by: Anne Gracie | Sunday, March 08, 2020 at 03:02 PM