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Margot

According to a book I read a while ago, increasingly in the eighteenth century, menservants were viewed as a luxury, and Lord North placed a tax of one guinea per manservant in 1777. In 1785, Pitt increased the tax to £1 5s 0d for a single manservant, with a sliding scale up to £3. He also placed a tax on maidservants at the same time, although it was much lower, at 2s 6d to 10s, again depending on the number. Bachelors paid double and families with children paid only part.

If I were to tax something, I'd say shoes. How can people bear to pay thousands of dollars for things they stand on? Actually, most clothing seems quite overpriced to me, but then I've never been big on fashion. So maybe it's worth it to those people, but go ahead and tax it.

nancy

I think the sentence about tax on unmarried daughters is just misplaced. One doesn't hear about that one very much.
I have a photocopy of the 1819 memorandum book with the tax digest in it-- along with other interesting stuff. Where did you find yours? The originial of my copy is incomplete. I understood the amorial bearings to be taxed if they were put onto the doors of carriages, writing paper, buttons of livery and the like. I'll have to look at my copy.
The Regency gentleman's memorandum book has loads of neat stuff. I think that the one for the ladies basically had fashions and poetry and other light material. I have only had a brief look at one so my memory might be faukty.
The window tax had some unintended but wretched results in that people would block windows inorder not to pay the tax and leave the house with out a means of light and fresh air except for opening the door. The people might as well have been living in a cave. Very bad for health.

Nicola Cornick

I love reading about historic taxes, Jo! Maybe I'm odd in that but I find it fascinating. Last night I was watching a TV programme about the 100 Years War and the Peasants' Revolt which reminded me just how unpopular a poll tax was in the UK back in the 14th century never mind the 20th!

I built the whole of my Brides of Fortune series around the idea that a set of local medieval taxes was still in force in what had been an ecclesiastical enclave. I researched it thoroughly but got a lot of stick because many people simply didn't believe it could be historically accurate. However one only needs to look at the arcane medieval laws still in force in some villages in England to know it's true!

Jo Beverley

Nancy, we're working from the same source, because you kindly gave me a photocopy of yours. Thanks again.

I've added to the blog above a link to your web site where you have a complete transcription of the section on taxes. Fabulous.

Jo

Jo Beverley

So true about arcane laws, Nicola. In the Regency there were still draconian ones about damaging trees or taking a stone from a bridge.

Jo

Nicola Cornick

Absolutely, Jo, which again inspires all sorts of story ideas!

Lil

Odd and arcane laws are always a fascinating subject, and they don't turn up only in the Regency period. In France, they recently removed from the books a law forbidding women to wear pants in Paris. One of my favorites was a New York State law mandating the death penalty for attempted suicide.

Ella Quinn

They facinate me as well. Thanks so much for the post. For a time, it was illegal in England for women to use cosmetics and hairpieces or dye their hair as it might tempt a men to marry where he normally wouldn't have.

Liz

Need to mention tea tax.

Janice

How were the taxes collected? I see where for some things (servant taxes, lodgers), the taxpayer was required to send in a list upon notice, but what about the others? Did they come as bills? Did someone have to go somewhere and pay them in person? Or did a collector come around? Or could they be mailed?

LynS

When did the death tax come in? I always hear about the aristocracy selling their art or books to pay the tax.
As for windows, New York City, fined tenement builders for not installing internal windows (between rooms) for light and ventilation for health reasons. Many landlords just closed their buildings rather than submit. Tenements were actually considered a step up in housing for the working poor.
http://tenement-museum.blogspot.com/2012/07/a-room-with-legally-mandated-view.html

Jo Beverley

Jo here. Lil, there are a lot of odd laws still on the books. Plenty of modern stories there!

Janice, that's an interesting question about tax collection! I suspect most of it was by people paying them to a local office of some sort, but I don't know. There have to have been people to go out and find tax avoiders.

I'll have to see if I can find out.

Jo

Jo Beverley

Lyn, apparently Death Duties were introduced in 1897, but the idea is old. In the middle ages an heir often had to pay his lord to take over the estate. The size of death duties has been hard on estates, however, because often there's little cash, so things have to be sold off.

Jo

LouisaCornell

I have a vague memory of my parents having to pay a tax or pay for a license for the television and radios we had in our house when we lived in England. I'm not certain, but I think that is what they said.

I love all of these archaic laws. So much potential for a good story!

If you can pay 1000 dollars for a purse, you have a serious case of TMM (too much money) and you probably need to be taxed! I am a shoeaholic, but I have never paid more than 200 dollars for a pair of shoes. And since I retired from singing I don't pay anywhere near that anymore!

Could we perhaps tax people who are celebrities only by virtue of their bad behavior with no discernible talent at all? They take up so much air time and so much space on the internet and in magazines. Surely they deserved to be taxed for overexposure? :)

Jo Beverley

There's still a TV license here, Louisa. It funds the BBC so I don't grudge it, especially as it means no ads on BBC TV and radio!

I love the idea of a tax on over-exposure. How do we do that?

Jo

theo

I wouldn't mind paying my fair share if the darned governments would find a way to work with what they collect rather than spending twice as much as their income then taxing me even more! And I think that's been going on since the beginning of tax collection time as well.

Jo Banks

A tax on over exposure and boring the public sounds just right not to mention a tax on those huge handbags some of them would probably swallow the vaste majority of my wardrobe!But in danger of being shouted at I must say that income tax is by far the fairest tax we have because lets face it if you haven't got it you dont pay it but if you have a car it doesnt matter what you circumstances you still pay tax twice on the fuel and then again on the vehicle!

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