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Jane O

I do love carols. The Holly and the Ivy and The Cherry Tree Carol are a couple more that would have been around back in the Regency period.

Do you suppose they had any of the comic kind like Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer or All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth? After all, they weren't a particularly staid or Puritanical bunch. On the other hand, they might still have considered Christmas a religious celebration entitled to a bit of dignity.

joanna bourne

Hi Jane --

They had plenty of carols we don't sing any more. Old carols that fell out of use. Songs suppressed by Cromwell that never got started up again. They find evidence of them in the Eighteenth Century broadsides and in contemporary scholarly manuscripts. All those ardent clergymen out recording the old traditions before they disappeared.

Even when the words have been preserved, we generally don't know the tunes. There'll be a note, 'sung to the tune of an old French carol' which is not exactly helpful. And there wasn't just one tune. There were lots of variation. Lots of local versions.

Old carols were often assigned musical notation in Victorian times. Sometimes we get one or more of the original variations. Sometimes there'd be a new composition.

The Holly and the Ivy comes to us from many sources. Our modern version is selected from myriad strands of words and music.

Joy to the World, on the other hand, is a 'written' carol, based on church music and Psalm 98, rather than one arising from pagan tradition and Medieval song contests. We know the author and the date, 1719. The music was also composed rather than selected from local customs. It's an 1839 piece, based in part on Handal.

You were right to selected the two traditional songs you did. They would indeed have been part of the characters' repertoire.

The lyrics of The Holly and the Ivy appear in a 1710 collection. It's certainly much older. The Cherry Tree Carol is likely early Fifteenth Century.


I imagine they had light comic songs for the season -- The Twelve Days of Christmas is an example we've got handy. I'd guess, though, that the lighter songs were associated with New Years and Twelfth Night rather than Christmas. Even today, in Europe, the big, noisy celebration is associated with New Years rather than Christmas itself.

LouisaCornell

Fascinating post, Joanna. You are braver than I. I never venture beyond public radio during the holidays as most of the Christmas music the other stations play depresses me, irks me or makes me want to scream! Fortunately I have a large CD collection of Christmas music from which to select.

It seems lyricists were far more prolific than melodists throughout much of history as any given tune might have have three or even four sets of lyrics depending on the locale and the season.

joanna bourne

I hear you on the commercial radio stations. It's not Christmas-y to stomp over and snarl, "Stop it! Just stop it!' at inanimate objects.

As to the lyrics versus melody ... I know I can carry and reproduce huge amounts of rhyming words, but I wouldn't count on myself to remember and transmit music reliably. Are there a lotta people like me, I wonder.

Mary Jo Putney

Joanna, how lovely! In my choir days in school, we learned the Latin verses of Adestes Fideles as well as the English. I didn't realize that the English words we know were later, but in an age where every gentlement new Latin, I can easily imagine personal translations.

I have lots of Christmas CDs--things like Celtic harp renditions of traditional carols, which I love. I also got a new car this year and it came with a Sirius XM radio, and it turns out that the Classical Pops station (75) plays Christmas music for almost all of December. There were bad renditions as well as good ones, but at least no commercials. *G*

joanna bourne

I had glanced at the age of various carols before, back when I was doing that short story for Mischief and Mistletoe. I wanted to be certain my heroine could overhear folks singing God Rest You Merry, Gentlemen and she could.

So when I was so annoyed at these stations not giving me the music I wanted, I went back to see what other carols were Regency.

Grace Burrowes

And they would have known Handel's "Messiah," except that that Hallelujah Chorus wasn't written to go smack on the end of the Christmas section, where we put it. Alas for them, because it's fun to sing!

LouisaCornell

I think you've hit upon something there, Joanna. As most words and music were taught by rote and not everyone was capable of reading music it would be far easier to teach the average person the lyrics to a song rather than the melody. As such, the use of one or two melodies people new while changing the lyrics to something they could read from a piece of paper makes absolute sense!

Anne Gracie

Interesting post, Joanna. I must confess that having had my eardrums assaulted with christmas musak in shops for the last months, and squirming at the gruesome pop-ization of so many poor, innocent christmas carols, I tend to only play my own music, or else turn on some of the non-commercial radio stations we have here.

One of the modern Christmas songs I love is the one from Love Actually -- not a carol at all, but a good song for Christmas, nevertheless. And I don't mean the Bill Nighy one, though that's a lot of fun.

joanna bourne

Hi Louisa --

I'm surprised we don't have more surviving 'chants'. The oldest music seems to have lotsa melody.

I'm putting this poorly because I don't have the proper words, me being dog ignorant about music.

So many societies have repetitive chanting as part of their musical custom. You hear it in West Africa and in the Southwest of the United States with the Hopi and Navaho. I wonder why English Christmas music didn't bring us some of that.

joanna bourne

Hi Anne --

I'm lucky. I don't think there's any store in town that plays music at us.

For that you have to get on the freeway and head two exits west. There one finds a great encampment of big box stores circling the exit ramp. All of them boom and tweet Christmas music for a month or two.

I suppose it's only a matter of time before the local grocery and bank start piping it in. There is noplace safe.

joanna bourne

Hi Grace --

I know folks who go to the great 'Messiah' sing-ins. One of the extraordinary innocent pleasures of life.

In Romance books we see country house parties and large families putting on plays for their own amusement. There's a -- historically correct -- assumption that any assemblage of gentry would supply the necessary talented amateurs.

Why not something complex and musical?

Phyllis

In college, I played the trumpet. My Thanksgiving to Christmas gig was a (poorly paid) job playing with 2 other trumpeters for a Madrigal feast. We had these fab, long trumpets with banners hanging from them (bought, apparently, from the LA Olympics).

Anyway.

Lots and lots of Renaissance music in that. I always wished I could sing well enough to do that instead of a few fanfares while sitting around in a pageboy costume with a couple of cocky guy trumpeters.

So I LOVE it when I hear Riu Riu Chiu, Wassail all over the Town, The Boar's Head, or Un flambeau, Jeannette, Isabelle.

joanna bourne

Un flambeau was a carol I wanted to add to that list. It's properly authentic in age and my own characters would have known it.

I wimped out of the research necessary to discover if it had jumped the channel by the Regency.

My son can play the trumpet. His instrument is actually trombone, but they switch him over when they're short a trumpet.

Artemisia

I go to my own CDs starting with George Winston's 'Thanksgiving,' 'Autumn,' and 'December' then to the Winter Solstice albums, then segue into more traditional stuff, preferably in non-traditional versions. This year I bought 'Christmas Lounge' - cool.

joanna bourne

I'm thinking of maybe burning a couple of Christmas CDs from my playlist. Sorta exciting thought. I've never burned a CD.

deniz

I love those old carols, but besides Adeste Fideles, I hadn't realised quite how old some of them are! I'm really interested in the Shropshire carol list from the 15th Century - finally something in my time frame!

joanna bourne

Hi Deniz --

There are more old ones I didn't mention. Limited myself to five or six. I'll bet a little research would bring up a couple dozen.

Janet McConnaughey

A belated note to add that one of my favorite carols is from about your time (first pub'd in 1833), and starting

Tomorrow will be my dancing day;
I would my true-love would so chance
To see the legend of my play,
To call my true-love to my dance.

Ch: Sing O, my love, O my love, my love.
This have I done for my true love.

Then was I born to a virgin pure,
Of her I took fleshly substance.
Thus did I take of man's nature
To call my true-love to my dance.


Though this performance doesn't include all the verses,
http://en.gloria.tv/?media=119650

The song takes the story through the crucifixion. I don't remember whether it includes the ascension.

joanna bourne

Hi Janet --

Never heard that one. Not at all.

The wiki has all the words:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow_Shall_Be_My_Dancing_Day

It places this as a very old carol, perhaps Fourteenth Century.

I was reminded, of course, of the song, Lord of the Dance, which is one of my favorites. I was delighted to learn some of the inspiration for it. Thanks so much.

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