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Margaret Morton Kirk

Fascinating post. By the twenties, would you say having a lady's maid was becoming something only the very very aristocratic/wealthy would consider the norm?

Nicola Cornick

Thank you for your comment, Margaret. I have the impression that there were a great many changes by the 1920s. With the economic decline of so many great country estates and a variety of different employment opportunities I would think it would be difficult for many people to both find and afford lady's maids. I imagine that only the very rich and the very aristocratic could maintain a "staff" with personal servants into the mid 20th century and that the nature of those relationships would also start to change. Big houses like Chatsworth and Cliveden did still have an army of servants but those families were in the minority.

CateS

Well, I'm not cut out to be a ladies' maid, as I really don't have any sewing ability.. Your research is so interesting. I suspect in country homes, staff was easier to keep in that the temptations of city life weren't available. But I reallllly envy you that Downton Abbey starts... I have to wait til January with the rest of the USA..

Nicola Cornick

Thanks, Cate, I am glad you found it interesting. Yes, once other job opportunities opened up for servants it did become increasingly difficult to find and keep good ones.

I too would be hopeless as a lady's maid. My grandmother was a seamstress and tried to teach me to sew but I was a hopeless case!

Jennifer Tanner

Hi Nicola!

I've got a book written by Lady Astor's maid on my Amazon wishlist. Now that I've read your post, I need to order it.

It would be interesting to track the evolution of ladies fashions against the number of people who left the service for better paying jobs in the cities.

Love your posts!

Kathleen Henderson

I would be a terrible lady's maid. Fashionable has never been title I aspire to. Since I already posses the title, "The maid of all work" in my own home in the 21st century if given the chance to inhabit a home during the regency I would want to be the mistress of said home.

Jenny Reid

Quite frankly I am too independent to be a lady's maid, or any other sort of maid. I like to have my own way, and am quite unskilled in anything remotely domestic. Reading all these wonderful Regency books, I believe I would probably have starved if I belonged to the sevant class. What a thought!

Nicola Cornick

Hi Jennifer! Thank you - I am very pleased you liked the post! That book by Lady Astor's maid sounds great!

LOL, Kathleen! Yes, you definitely deserve to be the one giving the maids the directions!

Nicola Cornick

Jenny, I think a lot of us would have that problem. I am terrible at being told what to do! If you are independent and like being in charge, the servant's life probably wouldn't be for you! I do think this must have been a problem for strong-minded women at the time. Not everyone cold become a housekeeper or be in charge!

Natalie

The person I am now would have had a very hard time with the authority to which a maid of any kind would have to submit. However, I just saw "Farewell, My Queen," and I think I could just about handle being a reader to someone immensely wealthy with a fantastic library and other servants to do all the other work.

Nicola Cornick

Natalie, I do like the idea of a job as a reader to someone with a fabulous library! What a wonderful job that would be (provided we shared the same taste in books, I suppose!)

Diane Sallans

I like to help people, but it would very much depend on my employers to make it a good situation. I think I would rather be in a large household where there would be other servants to help with the tasks. I remember watching a British "reality" show where current day people spent several weeks living as if in the 1800's - I think it was called 'Regency House Party'. The people taking the roles of servants really had a hard time, even knowing it was only for a short time. I wonder how much of that was based on our current day mindset of not wanting to be totally controlled by others.

Anne Gracie

Fabulous post, Nicola. I think if I'd been started off as a servant in childhood, and the alternative was starvation, I could have made it, but not as a lady's maid. I'm no kind of seamstress and can't bear fussing with clothes and hair. But a stillroom now, or the kitchen. . . I think I'd enjoy that more. Though not the scrubbing and endless washing up, so much. :) We are so lucky to be born into this time.

theo

I would have been more inclined to be the shop owner than the Lady's Maid. A Lady's Companion, that's another story. But I imagine those were few and far between.

Did anyone who was above the typical working class but below the "rich and famous" have day help? Was there that type of servant, female and male? Say, a relatively wealthy doctor. Would he have maybe one or two live ins and then servants who would come for the day and leave at night?

Nicola Cornick

I think that is so true, Diane. The current day mindset isn't in tune with the idea of doing other people's bidding!

Absolutely, Anne. I think we are very fortunate to have the opportunities we do rather than having to take the "in service" route in order to be fed and housed. I would have hated being a housemaid. I don't like cleaning. I do enjoy washing up but not on an industrial scale!

Nicola Cornick

Hi Theo! A companion or governess might have offered more opportunities, I suppose but your idea of a shop owner is much more appealing. You'd be your own boss!

I'm not sure about day help in the late 18th/early 19th century. A wealthy doctor or lawyer would have a few household servants living in. In my reading the "daily" seems to be a feature of the later Victorian and early 20th century servant situation.

Interestingly because Ashdown House didn't have sufficient servants' quarters some of the staff there did live out during the 19th century and came in from home every day.

theo

Nicola, thank you!

It's been difficult for me to find anything pertaining to servants other than live-in. Since it's something that was a real possibility, I think I can use it as such.

I am always so happy with the things I learn here :o)

LouisaCornell

Fascinating research, Nicola. The life of a lady's maid is not for me. With my luck I'd get a mistress who makes Leona Helmsley look like Mother Teresa!As the manager of a bakery I deal with plenty of spoiled young ladies with a sense of entitlement and voices like steam whistles. They're called brides.

Nicola Cornick

I'm so pleased you're pleased, Theo! It's very interesting when there are gaps in records on particular topics. I knew there had to be servants who "lived out" from Ashdown because the house did not have sufficient servants' quarters to house everyone. Sure enough when I looked at the census for the surrounding villages a number of people were recorded as working at the "big house." Whilst this is probably quite unusual and happened because the house was relatively small clearly it *did* happen. In later periods "living out" became more the norm, I think, especially for servants in smaller households where there wasn't the accommodation.

Nicola Cornick

LOL, Louisa! I'm sure you deal with those young ladies with a great deal of tact and charm but one might not necessarily choose to work with anyone who was so spoiled!

A friend of mine worked for a certain Lady (that was her title not a reflection on the way she behaved!) and we heard some extraordinary stories of how she behaved. No amount of money would have been sufficient to make up for working for such a diva!

j prince

Since reading 'Rebecca' as a teenager, the thought of being a companion gives me the shudders.

Artemisia

After reading all this it seems that as a full-time caregiver for an Aged Parent I already am a maid, companion, housekeeper, and cook.

Nicola Cornick

I agree the role of companion has been given a sinister twist in some fiction!

Good point, Artemesia. I think people with caring roles actually do more than the servants of previous years.

Carol Cork

I wouldn't have minded being a lady's maid provided my employer was like Lady Grant in 'Forbidden'. I would quite enjoy dressing her hair and handling all those beautiful gowns and jewels. Probably the next best thing to wearing them!

Nicola Cornick

Carol, I guess some ladies and their maids were friends like Margery and Joanna Grant and then the maid would get the cast off clothes!

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