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Isobel Carr

It's my understanding that they had public baths in London as well (many were Indian, and advertised "shampoo" [massage] as well). They were a well-known haunt for prostitutes and from what I've read, once a week they had a lady's day.

misskallie2000

Pouring water over your head and calling that a bath doesn't work for me. Bathing calls for soap so as long as soap is used along with the water to bath I think they were fairly clean. With our showers today everyone wants a shower as it is faster but still you are clean. Baths in tubs take more time and so relaxing but you need soap not just hot bath water. lol
Dousing yourself with cologne or perfume is not a bath and the smell of body order mixed with the cologne or perfume is horrid. lol

misskallie2000

Susan/DC

IIRC (and it's been a very long time since I read it) one of the Laura Ingalls Wilder "Little" books describes the process by which the family took a weekly bath. It was extremely labor intensive to bring the water in from the well and heat it, and they bathed sequentially in the same water -- which meant it was not nearly as pleasant for the last person as it was for the first person. Her books are set in mid-19th C American, and as a child in the 20th C I found the whole process fascinating. There is much I love about the past, but I give thanks every day for modern plumbing.

Sue McCormick

I agree with you that the "sponge bath" (basin and ewer) keeps people clean enough. You wash, rinse, dry (use talcum powder) on one part of the body and then go on to the next. (Modern folk would use deodorant, but that is a modern way of getting money from people.) Then go on to the next part. Surely part of the ritual of all the upper and middle class people for everyday use. I'm afraid the water wasn't always warm, but that too is a modern invention. I am less sure of the poor, but they were clean if they could afford the time to be and had access to water. All the servants would have had this water available.
Just my impression (and a second-hand knowledge of the equipment in the last quarter of the 19th century in the American mid-west.

Anne Gracie

Fascinating post, Joanna. I've been in places where there wasn't a bath or shower, and I used soap and water and a washcloth and even after a week, I didn't pong. (I checked )

My thought about women bathing in their shifts was that it's a modesty thing. I know in some convent schools, even not so long ago, girl were required to bathe covered up so they wouldn't see their own nakedness.

Mind you, a wet shift is much like a wet t-shirt, though possibly not as see-through if it was good solid cotton or linen.

LouisaCornell

Fascinating and enlightening as always, Joanna.

I tend to think people in the Regency were as varied in their degrees of cleanliness as people are today. I work in the public and every day I am forced to deal with people who smell as if they have just stepped from a nice hot shower and other people who avoid any form of soap and water like a big-busted blond avoids common sense in a horror movie. And the entire line of Axe products is the bane of my existence as many young people seem to think a generous dose of these products precludes the need to shower on a daily basis.

Some people were probably more sensitive to smell in the Regency, more sensitive to their own bodies and probably bathed as often as they could. Others were probably immune to smells, their own most of all, and therefore didn't bother. And I have a feeling this had little to do with social status or financial level.

My theory is "One's scent should not enter a room fifteen minutes before they do, nor linger fifteen minutes after they leave!"

One can only hope Mr. Darcy felt the same way!

joanna bourne

Hi Isobel --

Leigh's New Picture of London, 1827, lists a dozen or so. And I think Pepys, in his various peregrinations, visits one.

There's also this, in re the Jewish ritual bath --

"With respect to the laws concerning purification, we understand that there are persons in London who get their livelihood by keeping the mikveh, --- or bath, in which the appointed ablutions are performed."

joanna bourne

Hi misskallie --

Y'know, one of the most interesting and puzzling bits of history for me is the way the Greeks and Romans slapped on olive oil and scraped it off with a strigil.

I mean -- it must have worked. I just have trouble imagining it.
Aside from smelling like a salad . . .

joanna bourne

Hi Susan --

We forget how incredibly labor intensive all the work of keeping things clean used to be.

I am SO glad I'm not washing clothes in a mangle or whatever and hauling water to scrub the floor. Leaving aside the likelihood I'd also be doing various chores with the hogs and chickens on the side.

joanna bourne

Hi Sue --

In terms of class differences in cleanliness . . .

The much later -- 1862 -- 'Waterbabies' by Charles Kingsley uses physical cleanliness to illustrate themes of redemption and renewal.

The Victorian class stereotype here is that the lower classes' were not only less clean, but that they didn't 'want' to be clean.

Thus:

****

Without a word, he [Grimes] got off his donkey, and clambered over the low road wall, and knelt down, and began dipping his ugly head into the spring — and very dirty he made it.

Tom was picking the flowers . . . But when he saw Grimes actually wash, he stopped, quite astonished; and when Grimes had finished, and began shaking his ears to dry them, he said:

“Why, master, I never saw you do that before.”

“Nor will again, most likely. ‘Twasn’t for cleanliness I did it, but for coolness. I’d be ashamed to want washing every week or so, like any smutty collier lad.”

“I wish I might go and dip my head in,” said poor little Tom. “It must be as good as putting it under the town-pump; and there is no beadle here to drive a chap away.”

“Thou come along,” said Grimes; “what dost want with washing thyself? Thou did not drink half a gallon of beer last night, like me.”
****

and later on:

****
The next thing he [Tom] saw, and that too puzzled him, was a washing-stand, with ewers and basins, and soap and brushes, and towels, and a large bath full of clean water — what a heap of things all for washing!

“She must be a very dirty lady,” thought Tom, “by my master’s rule, to want as much scrubbing as all that. But she must be very cunning to put the dirt out of the way so well afterwards, for I don’t see a speck about the room, not even on the very towels.”

And then, looking toward the bed, he saw that dirty lady, and held his breath with astonishment.

Under the snow-white coverlet, upon the snow-white pillow, lay the most beautiful little girl that Tom had ever seen. Her cheeks were almost as white as the pillow, and her hair was like threads of gold spread all about over the bed.

She might have been as old as Tom, or maybe a year or two older; but Tom did not think of that. He thought only of her delicate skin and golden hair, and wondered whether she was a real live person, or one of the wax dolls he had seen in the shops. But when he saw her breathe, he made up his mind that she was alive, and stood staring at her, as if she had been an angel out of heaven.

No. She cannot be dirty. She never could have been dirty, thought Tom to himself. And then he thought, “And are all people like that when they are washed?” And he looked at his own wrist, and tried to rub the soot off, and wondered whether it ever would come off. “Certainly I should look much prettier then, if I grew at all like her.”

And looking round, he suddenly saw, standing close to him, a little ugly, black, ragged figure, with bleared eyes and grinning white teeth. He turned on it angrily. What did such a little black ape want in that sweet young lady’s room? And behold, it was himself, reflected in a great mirror, the like of which Tom had never seen before.

And Tom, for the first time in his life, found out that he was dirty; and burst into tears with shame and anger;
*******

joanna bourne

Hi Anne --

Moving into the Victorians -- I'd say yes. Modesty and prudery.

In the Georgian period and right into the Regency . . . my impression is they were a pretty forthright and earthy bunch.

The whole question of when public perceptions of modesty and shame changed is coolly interesting.

Go back to C17 and you got nude mixed bathing in respectable public baths all across Europe. C19, folks blushed when an ankle showed. Go figger.

joanna bourne

Hi Louisa --

I am convinced beyond argument that Mr. Darcy had his own bathing chamber at Pemberley and repaired there every evening with a good book and a snifter of brandy.

(Did they have brandy snifters in 1800? I must look that up.)

Ashlyn Macnamara

Mr Darcy was clean. He had that convenient lake to jump into at Pemberley whenever he wanted to. I refuse to consider any other possibility.

joanna bourne

Hi Ashlyn --

Durned straight. Lake. Lake. Lake.

Swim, Mr. Darcy, swim.
(And you don't need that shirt on btw. It's not even historical.)

I have swum in lakes in Maine. One curious fact --
the water is warm for the top two feet where the sun hits it. Then, under that, it gets noticeably colder.

I don't know whether this is true in the UK or not.

Peggyo

Bathing in a shift would also save on laundry?

Linda Banche

From what I understand, from the 14th until the early 19th century people were afraid to immerse themselves in water because disease entered the body through water-softened skin, an idea that took root during the Black Death.

A good and funny book on the history of bathing in the western world from Roman times is THE DIRT ON CLEAN, AN UNSANITIZED HISTORY by Katherine Ashenburg.

For a short blog post on the subject, here's one I wrote--

http://historicalhussies.blogspot.com/2010/05/regency-hygiene-or-lack-thereof-part-i.html

And Mr. Darcy didn't need to bathe--he was born clean, just as he was born rich, handsome, kind, generous and whatever other superlative you'd like to add. *g*

joanna bourne

Hi Peggyo --

Oh, giggle. I was trying to imagine how you would 'wash' this way. it really doesn't seem practical.

I have a cotton nightgown and I am going to experiment.

joanna bourne

Hi Linda --

I have found references to exactly this 'watch out for your pores' bit all through the C18.

Fr'instance -- here a man gives direction on how to undertake this chancy business of immersing yourself in water:

****
Now, reader, we will tell you how to take a bath. . . . Tranquility of mind is all important in rendering the warm bath beneficial. Walk leisurely to the house of ablution, and disrobe yourself with moderate haste. You may have the water hot enough to parboil you if you choose; that is left to yourosvn taste. In with you; and' to beguile the time, read a newspaper or smoke a cigar. In about half an hour the water will cool to nearly the temperature of the air, and you will have gone gradually and safely through half a dozen climates. You will have left the torrid for the temperate zone. Then let in the cold water, very slowly, almost drop by drop; and in the course of twenty minutes you will find yourself in a cold bath. Your pores will have closed gradually and moderately, your sensations will be exquisite during the process, and you will feel strength and elasticity in every limb. You emerge from the cold water into the warm air, dry your body thoroughly with a coarse towel, and feel like a new man. It is an impossibility for you to take cold: if you do, you are at liberty to come and box our ears for giving you bad advice.

*********

Makes the whole business sound downright dangerous, doesn't it?


Now I do think the middling and upper classes were reasonably clean in C18 . . . because I don't think cleaning the body depended on climbing into a bathtub or shower. I think they did a fairly good daily job of washing in those pitchers and basins and so on.

If I were pointing at the great change in personal cleanliness, I'd move beyond the whole plumbing and baths business and look at the rise of cheap cotton cloth. And that was happening in our Regency period.

What an increase in comfort that must have been for the average person, being able to afford an extra change or two of underclothes.

Patricia Rice

Love your quotations and images, Joanna!

Isn't it amazing how England managed to lose all those lovely Roman habits of bathing and forget about plumbing? Obviously, bathing wasn't of great importance in a cool climate.

And I think that's probably clue to the changes in bathing habits over time. At first, there was no social or cultural pressure to bathe, so one did what one felt like. Women with servants and not enough to fill their time might decide to bathe in scented waters. (or look longingly at the hot wash water on a cold day) They might eventually insist their husbands and/or children do the same. But it would take centuries before this practice became common and worked its way down to a class with neither leisure, servants, or need to smell pretty. Human nature is always fascinating!

Kat

I like to think my historical H/h always were clean and smelled only of horse, leather and lavender when appropriate. Ii ignorance is bliss tis a folly… and I prefer my Mr. Darcy WET!

joanna bourne

Hi Pat --

Terrible to think that washing isn't something inborn. We're more like dogs and monkeys, in this way, than cats.

Sad fact.

joanna bourne

Hi kat --

That's the nice thing about reading Historical Romance instead of Historical Fiction. Romance doesn't have to be quite so strictly realistic. *g*

theo

My father was born in Ishpeming, MI which is in the upper peninsula, in 1907. They had running water. He too was the 'runner'. Every morning, he would run to the stream and bring a bucket of water for each ewer. My very, very British grandmother insisted her children sponge bathe to start the day, as did she. My poor grandfather was forced to do the same at the end of the day with the same water, but I suppose since he was washing the coal off himself before she'd let him in the door, used water sufficed. ;o)

I too sponge bathed for years off and on when our well ran dry for a couple days. I still do when we're out of power (thank heaven for gas ranges!) and I'm just as clean when I'm done as I would be had I showered. (I must admit though, there was never any talc involved when my mother and dad washed. Just wash, dry, wash, dry and leave the unmentionables for last. Rather like a hospital bath.)

We're a spoiled, pampered lot these days with our running hot and cold and our multi-shower heads and our four person jacuzzis. And frankly, I wouldn't change it at all! I love a good soak.

But a sponge bath in a pinch does nicely, thank you.

joanna bourne

Hi Theo --

Oh my, yes. There is nothing I like better than a good tub bath. I'm very grateful to live in times that make this possible.

I do not see the lack of running water and a tub as necessarily saying people do not keep clean.

Now . . . I think it very likely the C18 had lower standards of what constituted 'clean' and some very odd notions of not washing the protective films off the natural surface of the body . . .

Christine

One thing I think about ever since watching "The 1900 House" on PBS (where an English family spent a certain amount of time in a 1900 era house wearing only period clothes and eating and using only what would have been available at the time- and seasonally- then) is how much everything is "perfumed" nowadays. The family really came to notice how strong all the scents nowadays are and how heavily perfumed everything from cleansers to personal grooming items are. I prefer scent free laundry detergent and really notice when someone uses a strong scented one or fabric softener. With only natural perfumes then (no artificial scents I am assuming) the 19th century person who could afford good milled soap and regular bathing probably smelled quite nice. At least until the lack of deodorant became apparant in the hot months.

joanna bourne

Hi Christine --

This is so true. The artificial scent in everything is very noticeable if, like me, you buy the unscented version.

There would have pungent smells outside -- horse droppings, outhouses, pigs, the rivers which were not precisely pristine as C18 moved into C19, coal smoke.

BUT, the place wouldn't have smelled like gasoline fumes, which just about everywhere currently does.

I find the whole, 'I want to smell like flowers', thing somewhat odd. (Can you imagine a cat or dog saying -- I want to smell like flowers? When I wash the dog with scented shampoo, it very definitely does NOT want to smell like . . . raspberries.)

But I think the urge to scent oneself is wide-spread across cultures. I don't it's wanting to cover up the faint natural body smell or the stink of sweat and non-bathing. If anything, perfume is part of the washing ritual and used at the moment the body is cleanest.

Scenting, if I were going to guess, falls under the universal human urge to decorate oneself.

Artemisia

I live with a very old bathtub that is very uncomfortable to sit in and I have never been able to keep the water warm enough to soak. Believe me, I was tempted to put a sheet in it! I gave up on tub baths and now only shower, and usually put an old washcloth on the bottom to avoid slipping. As for bathing in the shift, it was to preserve modesty, but they still had to get it off soaking wet.

joanna bourne

Yeah. Those old cast iron tubs are just the devil to warm up. My parents had one. And yes -- they are hard and cold.

I never thought of putting a sheet in one.

Sometimes the C18 folks talk of getting out of the bath, wrapping up in a blanket or sheet, and lying down on the bed to get over the shock of all this bathing.

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