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Helen

Nicola

That was so interesting I don't think I could not wash LOL I would feel so uncomfortable and I really need to do this in privacy.
Another thing I really need me time peace and quiet on my own usually lol to keep me happy

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Helen

Nicola Cornick

I'm glad that you found it interesting, Helen. When Lucy Worsley did the programme she went for a whole week without washing and she hated how dirty she felt. I'd be the same, I think.

Nancigee741

Amazing. Is that the London Bridge that was moved piece by piece to Arizona in the 1960's?

Maybe the pioneers that came to the U.S. were not that used to luxury as I previously thought. A pump for water, your own bedroom & outhouse would not be so far removed from what they left.

Samantha Craig

Nicola, I enjoyed your post, very informative! However, it does confirm my belief that I would rather read about regency times and not live in them. I like my bathroom and bedroom and hot showers!

wendy p

I think that had I been born in those times, I wouldn't have known anything about privacy to want privacy when I showered/bathed, dressed, slept, etc. But if I was transported back in time after having always had privacy it would be quite a culture shock for me!

Nicola Cornick

Nancy, I've often thought the story of the removal of London Bridge to Arizona one of the most curious things I have ever heard. I think you're exactly right about the pioneers - not a lot of luxury left behind in the old country!

Nicola Cornick

I with you on that, Samantha! I love reading historical fiction and I would even like to time travel but not permanently.

Wendy, it is all about what is familiar, isn't it. I'm sure people accepted communal living as the norm but the difference that we would perceive would be shocking. It's all about the culture; when I went to Iceland I was quite shocked by the nude spa bathing!

Jo Manning

This was fascinating, Nicola, thanks!

Margaret M-E

Living in the hot, humid south in the summer,sometimes you bathe twice a day, even with air conditioning. No bath at all...UCK! There's not enough deodorant or perfume/cologne to cover that.

Nicola Cornick

Thanks, Jo!

Margaret, not washing in the heat doesn't bear thinking about, does it? I know the UK isn't as humid as the south but even so...

Cathy

Interesting, especially in light of the giant houses folks live in today.

Louis

As a pre-teener I liked to visit my aunt and uncle. They had a "two-holer" out in the chicken coop. Along with a Sears catalogue to browse in. There was also a large rooster that always chased me* thru the coop.

Fascinating times sback then.

Nicola Cornick

Fascinating stuff, Louis! A two-holer! Cathy, we do seem to have gone to the other extreme these days.

Liz

The house I grew up in had a bedroom you had to walk through to get to two others (and a washroom) - those rooms having been added as part of an extension. The doors were on diagonal corners of the room. I think my two younger sisters soon learned to sleep through people going back and forth.

theo

My dad was born in 1907 and washed the same way his mother and grandmother did, with a basin of water (in our case, it was the bathroom sink because we actually had running water...when the well wasn't dry) and it was called a 'sponge bath'. Because our well was finicky at times, I learned how to wash up the same way so those mornings that I couldn't shower, I could still wash.

Thankfully, we did have a septic tank so didn't have to use any outhouse.

And you know where the expression 'three-dog-night' originated. You mentioned communal times when your pets sleep with you. When it was so cold that even a roaring fire was hard pressed to keep the room warm, you had your dogs sleep with you and gauged the outside by how many dogs it took to help keep you warm, thus the three-dog-night. :o)

Mary Jo Putney

Fascinating, Nicola! I think I even remember that Victorian public loo from when I lived in Oxford.

I rather fancy the medieval baths with spiced and herb steam. Yum!

LouisaCornell

Wonderfully informative and fun post, Nicola! Another for the research notebook and I am off to find the book you mentioned.

I would have difficulty adjusting to the lack of privacy, that much is certain. I live alone (save for my dogs and cats) in the middle of five acres. I LOVE having an entire house to myself with two complete bathrooms to choose from!

Oddly enough when I was singing I never noticed how little privacy members of a traveling opera company have. We stayed in hotel rooms, slept on trains and crowded into dressing rooms to change with no thought to privacy.

And had I been born in Tudor England I feel certain I would have found some way to bathe! I can barely wait to get home from work to take a shower!

Nicola Cornick

Liz, I guess it is very much what you are used to. Helps if you are a good sleeper too! We once stayed in a cottage where our bed was on the open landing and everyone had to trek past to get to their rooms. Unfortunately they all went to bed later than we did. Thank goodness it was only for a week!

Nicola Cornick

Theo, I love the idea of a "three dog night!" It reminded me of one of the family who went to stay in a very draughty baronial castle in Scotland. At bedtime her friend's mother solemnly handed over a Jack Russell to each guest to keep them warm!

Nicola Cornick

I thought the steam bath sounded delicious too, Mary Jo. I like the idea that medieval Londoners were all clean and sweet-smelling.

Louisa, your post struck a chord with something I had been reading about dancers; that they are used to communal living, having no space to change in and no privacy. Interesting that people can still work like that and yet most of us relish space of our own.

Isobel Carr

I think this is a REALLY hard concept for modern people to grasp (esp modern Americans, who put privacy and personal space at a premium). I run into it a lot with writers who just can’t accept that people didn’t live alone, either (“But my heroine lives all alone. There’s no one to help her with her corset, so she wouldn’t wear one.”).

I’m with Louisa when it comes to the whole, you don’t even notice not having privacy if that’s the norm. And I’m here to assure you all that after 15 years of Burning Man (fire arts festival in the desert), that nudity becomes mundane quickly and after 24 hours, you really do stop noticing how 99% of the people around you stink (but there’s always one guy that is just funky).

Jeanne Miro

Nicole -
From your description of the time I think I would have preferred to be a village maiden than live in London!

When I was young my Dad used to go fishing up in the Adirondacks and having only girls decided that we could at least go with him to row the boat! The accomodations were less than to be desired - they came complete with outhouses. That in itself wouldn't have been so bad but you had to scan the surrounding areas for bears, racons and deer as you made the trek! Not something they thought you in grade school.

Homes being built now come with multiple bathrooms but when I was a child in the 1940's our 4 bedroom house had one bathroom. My mother was thrilled when finally my Dad added converted a closet into an "extra bathroom" on the first flour (sink and toilet only). We were the envy of the neighborhood.

No matter the inconvenience or the times I would have bathed - note above to self "live in the country" hopefully near a stream or lake if nothing else available.

Reminder to self if thinking of who to marry: Marry someone who knows how to dig a deep well.

My husband is a history buff so whenever we travel we try to visit historical homes and have seen bedrooms here on the east coast of America that have inter-connecting bedrooms like Ashdown that were built in the 18th centurythat had a series of inter-connecting bedrooms - an idea they probably brought with them when they imigrated from England.

Nicola Cornick

LOL on your comments about the Burning Man festival, Isobel! And yes, the whole idea of living in such close proximity with others is something modern westerners do have a lot of trouble understanding. It's interesting to reflect on when and why attitudes changed.

Nicola Cornick

Jeanne, I'm with you. If I had lived here in my village in the 18th century I could have taken a dip in the local springs. In fact there's a place we take the dog to swim were the locals still skinny dip in the river in a hot summer. A lot more pleasant than being packed into a hot, smelly, sweaty city!

Very interesting that the settlers took with them architectural ideas that reflected on privacy, too.

Peggy

Ask any parent with children how much privacy they have -- just about none. Does the facebook generation have any concept of privacy anyway?

Nicola Cornick

Interesting question, Peggy. I think the Facebook generation have less emotional privacy than previous generations but still like their physical space.

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