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maryjoputney

What a lovely summary of life in service, Jo. I hadn't realized when vails were phased out, though it certainly makes sense that the people deprived of them would resent it deeply.

I like this kind of detail in books, when it's stroked in quietly, as you do. As you say, servants were part of the wallpaper of aristocratic lives, and shouldn't become too visible unless they're relevant to a particular story.

Helene

This was fascinating. I had no idea about vails. Also fascinating is the fact that you would research this; I love it. I get annoyed with novels (and, sorry, writers) that gloss over such details. I hate it when a character asks, "How much did this cost?" and there's no actual answer in words but the other character is said to "mention the amount". Sloppy, sloppy, to my way of thinking. If you don't want to research the answer, avoid the question in the first place, and find a different way to show whatever interaction you want to show with this question.

Now I'll go and look up what servants could buy with their magnificent wages.

peggy

A very interesting post thank you for sharing this history with us.

Susan/DC

What I want to know is: where is Bess, the landlord's daughter, the landlord's black-eyed daughter, in the photos from "The Highwayman"?

And thank you for the information about servants. You are correct in that I'm sure these people were mostly invisible to their employers unless something went wrong. One of the details in "An Unwilling Bride" that struck me as true was that the duke and duchess called all their footman the same name (James? Thomas? can't quite recall), as there were so many and from the aristocratic POV there was no need to differentiate.

Jo Beverley

Thanks for the comments. I think two little things that are important in historical fiction are money and communications. If we know those, so much falls into place.

I've also always looked for details on travel times, and how messages got about. Plots can hinge on that!

Jo

maryjoputney

On the subject of THE HIGHWAYMAN, there's a historical romance from Five Star that takes the basic poem and turns it into an adventurous novel--with a happy ending. *g* The author is Mary Ellen Dennis, and the book was named as one of the five top romances of the year by Library Journal. So if you like the poem and want to see a happier treatment, you might want to look the book up.

liz m

I actually DO think about all those things. Maybe because most of my family is 'serving class' and I spent much of my life there as well - when I go places it drives me nuts if the kids mess up a shelf or a display glass or if my friends dismiss the waitress.

I actually do make judgements about the characters based on their actions toward the serving classes, if they are invisible to them it means one thing, if they are overly visible another -

Sue

Thanks Jo, I love a book where the surrounding web is informative and correct. Having grown up in England, I understand the class distinctions and separation of servant and upper classes. One's place was unquestioned, so I get very irritated by a book where the hero or heroine gets chummy with the servants. If you imagine how invisible servants must have been to be emptying chamber pots and standing in hallways whilst clandestine meetings were going on, they were literally part of the wallpaper!

librarypat

I have a book written in the late 1800's for those leaving England to serve in India with the government or trading companies. It covers just about everything you would need to know. Tells you what is available for living quarters and what to pay for rent. How to hire and treat servants. What the social structure is and how to behave. How to shop and market prices. How to travel and what the weather is like. Very interesting.

Servants need to be in the books because they were such an integral part of their life. Close relations would be rare except maybe with upper servants like the steward, butler and housekeeper. I would think the closest personal servants, valet, governess, or lady's maid, would be the only others to have any type of personal relationship. Otherwise, servants were just there to make sure the job got done. The only time they were noticed was probably when something wasn't done satisfactorily.

Jo Beverley

Pat, you raise a good point.

In the 18th century the valet (BTW, pronunciation varies from vall-eh to valeT, with the t. Valet is probably correct period usage.) Anyway, he often served as a personal aide, accompanying his master everywhere so as to be ready for anything. The lady's maid did much the same, as we see from period plays.

The secretary, who was generally from somewhere on an upper class family tree, could be closer to a boon companion, also going with his employer to social occasions as a companion, but on the job, so to speak. Discreetly advising, supplying names the employer had forgotten, charming the right people.

It's really a fascinating subject.

Jo

Anne

I do find the life fascinating belowstairs. I agree with Liz that it says a lot about a person when we see how he/she treats the servants. On the other hand, I hate for them to intrude in ways that they ordinarily would not have.
I don't mind when an exact amount is not mentioned b/c it wouldn't mean anything to me anyway. Usually there are ways around the question, though.
What a treasure trove of info in those books! A window into a different world.
Thanks for this post, Jo!

Anne Gracie

Fascinating post, Jo. I was especially interested about the vails, and I'm now wondering if that's why the tipping culture is so strong in the US and was (until fairly recently) almost unknown in Australia. Australia was colonized in the 19th century, by which time the practice of tipping would have been out of favour in the UK.

I know my father, who was generous in all things, thought it demeaning to tip a man-- demeaning of the man, not Dad. And for me, it's always a mild source of anxiety, knowing what to tip and who, when I go to the US.

Darlene Cypser

Thanks for mentioning our movie.

We have not shot the scenes with Bess yet. That's why you can't see her in the production stills. But you can see Marianne Page (our lovely Bess) in the pre-production photos which are also on the website.

www.thehighwaymanmovie.com

The image of the footman used here is an early costume test from March 2008. Part of the purpose was to test the fit of the costume so adjustments could be made. (The costume needed pressing as well.) We have not shot the scenes with this footman yet.

This particular footman is also meant to be a young boy early in his career in service which is partly reflected by the fact that he doesn't always have his wig on quite right.

Whether or not a footman wore a wig depended on the household.

Regarding the ending of the movie, yes, it follows the poem but I don't remember Braveheart having any ghosts.

Jo Beverley

Darlene, thanks for telling us more about the film. I'm sure many servants wore ill-fitting liveries, especially young ones. That "buy the uniform big so he can grow into it" thing.

FWIW I'm not a Braveheart fan-- but for accuracy more than the ending. History is often harsh. I prefer history films that capture the triumphant parts of people's lives, but there are plenty of fans of heroic tragedy.

Another beef I had with Braveheart was casting a middle aged man as a young one. I even wrote an article on the way Hollywood ignores the real life achievements of young men in order to use famous aging actors.

http://www.jobev.com/youngm.html

Your characters look a suitable age, and anyway, you don't have historical reality to deal with.

I hope the film's a brilliant success. We all want more costume dramas.

Jo

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